Praying To Dead Saints

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Should We Pray to Dead Saints?

There are verses in the Bible that say that we are not to try and communicate with the dead. The “dead” are those humans who have already died and passed over to the other side – whether it be to heaven or to hell.

I believe God is telling us with the word “communicate” that we are not to even try and pray to them.

The reason is obvious. They are in heaven.

They are not omnipresent like God is. And even if someone should try and pray to them – there is no way that person would even hear your prayers to begin with unless God would allow it or would transmit the prayer to them.

Even though that dead saint is up in heaven – this person still has no power on his own to make anything happen for you. The best they could do for you is to pray direct to God.

So why waste your time praying direct to a dead saint who does not have God’s full, supernatural power to answer your prayer in the first place – and who probably will not even hear or pick up your prayer anyway, since the chances of that dead saint being tuned into your specific prayer at a specific time are probably a million to one.

When Jesus was walking in the New Testament – He specifically told us that we are to pray direct to God the Father if we have any specific needs that must be met.

There is not one verse that I am aware of where He told us that we could also pray direct to dead saints. If God the Father wanted this possibility as an option, then I believe Jesus would have specifically told us so in the New Testament – but He did not!

The reason for this is because God the Father is a jealous God. He, and He alone, is our one and only true God and Father. He, and He alone, is the only One who has the full supernatural power to answer any of our specific prayer requests.

Jesus’ death on the cross has now opened up the gates to heaven. The Bible tells us that we can now boldly approach the throne of God for prayer and intimate communication anytime we want. If you will notice, it says to approach the throne of God, not the thrones of dead saints!

I personally believe that when some people start praying to dead saints instead of going direct to God the Father, I think they may actually be hurting God’s feelings.

Here God is, sitting up in heaven, only wanting to help us in this life – and then all of a sudden He sees one of His own going direct to a dead saint who has no supernatural power on his own to answer any part of their specific prayer request.

However, I know He knows that many of His people do it out of ignorance because they really do not know what the Bible says about all of this, and they do not understand how the big picture is all set up.

Here are some specific Scripture verses telling us that we are not to attempt to commune with the dead. The clue is in the word “medium” or “spiritist.” A medium is one who attempts to call up the dead in order for that person to be able to communicate with that dead person. This is what you call a basic seance.

There are several well know mediums right now who are all over the place on TV actually doing séances for people to try and reach their dead loved ones. If God the Father is condemning this kind of activity as you will see in the following verses – then I also believe that you can extrapolate on this and assume that God does not want you trying to communicate direct with the dead even on your own.

If God does not want a medium trying to contact the dead for you – then I also believe it is safe to assume that God does not want you trying to contact the dead through any kind of prayer effort on your own. When you start trying to pray to a dead saint, you are attempting to try and communicate directly with the one you are praying to.

Bottom line:

  • God the Father is the only One who has the full supernatural power to answer any of our specific prayer requests.
  • God has it set up through His Son’s death on the cross that we are to approach His throne, and His throne alone, with any of our specific prayer requests. He does not want us going to anyone else, either in heaven above or on this earth.

We can ask others down here to pray for us and with us, to pray in agreement with us, but we are not to pray direct to any human down here for them to actually answer any of our specific prayers.

So if it would be ridiculous for us to pray to someone else down here on this earth to actually answer any of our specific prayers, then it only stands to reason that it would be just as ridiculous to pray direct to a dead saint up in heaven to answer any of our specific prayers.

The other question some people have on this is if they can pray and ask a dead saint to pray direct to God for them as an actual intercessor. Again, even doing this is still an attempt to try and communicate with this dead saint, and as such, I do not believe God wants us doing this. There are enough people down here on this earth that we can ask to pray for us and with us without having to go direct to dead saints who are living up in heaven.

The Scripture Verses

Here are 4 very good verses specifically telling us that we are not to have anything to do with “mediums” or the “calling up of the dead.”

  • “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.” (Deuteronomy 18:9)
  • Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)
  • And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.” (Leviticus 20:6)
  • “So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance.” (1 Chronicles 10:13)

Notice the words “calls up the dead,” and the statement that God makes that this practice is an abomination in His eyes! When you are attempting to call up the dead, you are attempting to try and directly communicate with them.

Notice that God uses the word “prostitute” as an analogy. You are prostituting yourself against God when you start seeking supernatural help or guidance from any one else but Him!

King Saul got into big trouble with God when he asked a witch to call up the prophet Samuel who had already died. He literally incurred the wrath of God when he did this, and this eventually led to his downfall and early death.

Notice the verse says that the reason Saul was trying to call up Samuel was for guidance. Instead of going direct to God the Father for the guidance that he was needing, he tries to contact one of God’s dead saints. Samuel was a great man and a great prophet of God, but God was wanting Saul to come directly to Him for any guidance that he was needing, not to a dead saint!

This story is a perfect example showing that we are to go directly to God the Father if we need any help with anything, not to any dead saints who are living up in heaven.

Also notice the very intense language that God is using when He is warning us not to attempt to try and communicate with the dead.

He is telling us that it is an “abomination” in His eyes, and that He will set His face against us if we try and do it. He also says that this kind of activity “defiles” us in His eyes. I do not think God could give us any more of a stricter warning on this issue than by the way that He has worded all of the above Scripture verses.

Even though some people are not consulting mediums when they are trying to pray to dead saints, I believe they are still trying to communicate directly with them through their direct prayer efforts and they are thus violating a basic direct commandment from the Lord on this issue.

I do not know if this will help your friend or if she will agree with any part of this, but those are my thoughts on this issue and what I feel God is trying to tell us through His Word on this subject.

Many people are engaging in séances these days, as it is a big part of the New Age Movement. Trying to do any part of this could be major door openers to the dark side. Demons can definitely come in on some of these people who try and play this game.

Many times, the medium is literally taken over by a demonic spirit masquerading as a dear, departed, loved one, and a demon is literally speaking through the medium’s vocal cords imitating the departed love one.

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  1. You say, “It may not matter to you but I’ll bet it meant a great deal to the Christians of the first and second and possibly even third centuries.”

    “It?” It’s not the BIBLE that I say doesn’t matter, it’s WHEN it was written that doesn’t matter. Why would WHEN it was written matter to anyone? It wouldn’t. The only thing that would matter is that it was WRITTEN.

    Not to mention the ONLY reason I brought it up was because you keep trying to dismiss what the bible says over and over and over again due to the fact that at “ONE POINT IN TIME, it had not yet been written.” That which was written AFTER, was due to what was believed BEFORE. What was believed BEFORE, was this: That there is only ONE without sin. What is being taught TODAY, is that such a teaching is untrue.

    So why in the world, in your mind, you would think when it was written would matter, is far, far beyond me. Having said that, please don’t twist my words. You have misunderstood much of what I’ve said, and this you have misunderstood also.

    You say, “and tell me how the Protestant understanding of the command that only those who ” eat His flesh and drink His blood” have life in them versus the Catholic teaching and practice of the real Presence of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ after the priest prays the prayers of consecration over the bread and wine, as our Lord did at the Last Supper, when he instructed them to do this in memory of Him. In other words, why is the Catholic Church wrong to take these words from scripture literally and the Protestant Church correct to explain these words away as not possible?”

    What does any of what you’ve written above have to do with what we’re speaking about? I can see absoluetly no connection.

    Above, you said that I, “make no effort to address those versus in chapter 6 of John or the verses in which our Lord gave authority to the Apostles od which jesus made Peter their leader and therefore the leader of the Church He established.”

    Yea’, and? Who is denying that the church was built on the rock that was named Peter? I haven’t. I’m denying current claims. How such claims came to be, I do not know and have never claimed to know. What I do know is this: such claims, whenever or wherever they originated, are in opposition to that which is written in the bible. Perhaps God seeing such a thing would take place, however it did, whenever it did, was the reason His words were placed on paper.

  2. Anthony says:
    January 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    Great. Now we’re on the same page.

    As for John 6, the Gospels and Acts, let’s not start with the ambiguity: what is your point?

    Assuming you are serious, my point is that you refer to the middle sentence of the three you wrote and tell me how the Protestant understanding of the command that only those who ” eat His flesh and drink His blood” have life in them versus the Catholic teaching and practice of the real Presence of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ after the priest prays the prayers of consecration over the bread and wine, as our Lord did at the Last Supper, when he instructed them to do this in memory of Him. In other words, why is the Catholic Church wrong to take these words from scripture literally and the Protestant Church correct to explain these words away as not possible?

  3. Anthony states:

    It doesn’t matter WHEN the bible “came” to be, it points to a Truth that always WAS, IS, and always WILL BE. So when I use that time-LESS Truth to shine a light on that which is not true, you claim what I say is false? If so, you claim what God says is false, as what I speak are not MY words, but God’s. End of quote

    It may not matter to you but I’ll bet it meant a great deal to the Christians of the first and second and possibly even third centuries. The only way they would have known about Jesus and His teachings would have been through the spoken and written words of the Apostles, their disciples and their successors. The Apostles lived with Christ, learned from Him and baptized in His name and were the nucleus of what was to be Christianity. Their teachings which would have been predominantly verbal at first and later were put to writing, was the means for discovering the truth about God, His Son and the Holy Spirit. So I disagree vehemently that it doesn’t matter when the Bible was written when thought of in the context that it is the sole authority in matters of faith and morals.

  4. Great. Now we’re on the same page.

    As for John 6, the Gospels and Acts, let’s not start with the ambiguity: what is your point?

  5. Anthony states:

    It doesn’t matter WHEN the bible “came” to be, it points to a Truth that always WAS, IS, and always WILL BE. So when I use that time-LESS Truth to shine a light on that which is not true, you claim what I say is false? If so, you claim what God says is false, as what I speak are not MY words, but God’s. End of quote

    Ok, what does God have to say about His Apostles and Peter, both in the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles?

  6. Anthony says:

    So obviously JUST because it’s not IN the bible, doesn’t mean it’s wrong or an incorrect teaching. But if something actually IS in the bible, and you go —against— such a teaching, then THIS is what you need to focus on. This is what I’m telling you the Catholic church (yourself, included) is doing. End of Quote

    Fair enough, let’s focus on chapter 6 of John’s Gospel

  7. Anthony,

    Salvation history is ongoing and will continue until the end of time. Whether you choose to believe this or not, we are all working out our own salvation and assisting others in theirs. Just because our Lord made it possible to enter into heaven does not mean that we are not required to follow his instructions on how to live Holy lives, starting with the two greatest commandments and the beatitudes. Salvation was made POSSIBLE but requires obedience to the commands of God. Otherwise, what would have been the purpose of all the parables about being ready at all times for the coming of the Lord, or the admonition to use your talents to their fullest or the reality that if you do not feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, visit the such and imprisoned, you will have not done it to our Lord and He will tell you to leave His sight for He does not know you. That my friend in Christ is working out your salvation in cooperation and obedience to Jesus, our Lord.

    So rather than saying Mary is our salvation, I am saying that since she did perfectly the will of God as the mother of Christ, she, like us, does have a roll in salvation history and based on the appearances she has made throughout the world, it would appear that her role is much larger than you are willing to accept. The messages all say that God has given her the high honor of being able to cast her mantle of protection against evil, over any and all who desire her aid. That is not to say that those who don’t are damned but rather she provides a path possessing less spiritual danger.

    Christ IS THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE AND ONLY THOSE WHO COME THROUGH AND WITH HIM WILL BE PERMITTED ENTRY INTO HEAVEN, but that is not to say that Mary, his mother
    is not permitted to lead souls to her son.

    Hope that helps to clarify the role Mary plays in the salvation history as it continues to unfold versus the definitive plan of God the Father, which required that His Son would be the paschal lamb that restored the relationship between Himself and His creation after it was severed, due to the sins of our first parents. The relationship was repaired by the Blood of the lamb but must be nurtured and made Holy by our obedience to His commands.

  8. You say, “That’s not what I said or meant, because I was not speaking about any man’s ability to have the Holy Spirit dwell in him or her, I was referring only to the Son Of God, the second person of the Holy Trinity and the logical thought the He who was without sin would not have been born into sin! Hope that is more clear.”

    It’s not clear, no. How theologians break it down, and whether original sin is from man, and thus why Jesus being born only of a woman is why he was not born “into” sin is something I do not know nor is it any of my concern. Regardless of the science behind how it is explained, what I, and many others, will not accept is this: Any man besides God being without sin. I don’t care why you would give her attributes that only God has, the bottom line is that they are HIS very specific attributes, and not man’s. To say anyone besides God is without sin is man-made doctrine. Doctrine that (this is what’s important here) goes AGAINST scripture.

    “Here is what I get, if it’s not in the Bible, God can’t do it.”

    You see, you DON’T get it. This is what I am saying: If God says ONE, and you say TWO, who is right? God says only ONE is without sin, and you say TWO are without sin: God and Mary. Who is right? God or man? You keep going to back to things that are not in the bible, and I’m trying hard to focus your attention on that which is actually IN the bible.

    “If He decided that for His own purpose and pleasure, he wanted the Blessed Mother to speak to his people and warn them of present dangers and the protection God has now chosen to offer His people”

    I don’t know where these visions come from, but you sway from the point. What we’re discussing is whether or not Mary is without sin. The bible says ALL fall short of the glory of God, and you say, “…ALL but ONE.” You are going AGAINST what GOD said.

    “This is a very clever means to ending such a discussion. If it’s not in the Bible, it’s satanic, end of discussion.”

    I can’t keep doing this over and over again – you’re going to have to figure out what I’m saying here, John.

    In John 21:25, it states:

    “25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”

    So obviously JUST because it’s not IN the bible, doesn’t mean it’s wrong or an incorrect teaching. But if something actually IS in the bible, and you go —against— such a teaching, then THIS is what you need to focus on. This is what I’m telling you the Catholic church (yourself, included) is doing.

    “It is you who continue to ignore the fact that the Bible came AFTER”

    It doesn’t matter WHEN the bible “came” to be, it points to a Truth that always WAS, IS, and always WILL BE. So when I use that time-LESS Truth to shine a light on that which is not true, you claim what I say is false? If so, you claim what God says is false, as what I speak are not MY words, but God’s.

  9. To Anthony:

    Again, you have been given some terribly wrong information. And again, the truth about what Catholics believe is in the Catechism and you will discover just how wrong the notion is that Mary is in any way God or our means of salvation. Another proof of what I’m saying is the Mass, the highest and most perfect form of public worship contained in the Catholic Church. If you are not afraid of becoming possessed by the devil, sit in on a Mass and listen to the words of the prayers and then report back on the importance placed on Mary in this divine worship as compared to our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and above all, God the Father. No one who comes away from a Mass would become confused about Who is worshipped and why.
    Amazing!

  10. John, these are your quotes:

    “the role Mary plays in salvation history.”

    “There are three very important Catholic teachings that are a tremendous benefit to souls working out their salvation; The role Mary plays in salvation history as the protectress of the believers”

    Who knows what else you posted, and how many times, but I’m not going through ever single statement you made, as your belief is quite obvious.

    You’re going to say that she simply plays a “role”, but the picture the Catholic church paints is that of an extremely important role. It is THROUGH her (no catholic would deny this, but all of a sudden you do?) that you GET to Jesus. I will find credible sources that state such is the case and will post them when I do.

    In the meantime, perhaps you can touch on my last post on the first page? There were a few important questions I’d like you to answer for me.

  11. Please do just that because I have never believed that salvation comes from anything other than our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I’m interested to review the way I stated things in previous posts.

    Thank you

  12. John, YOU, yourself, stated SEVERAL times that your salvation is “through Mary.” Are you really going to make me go to the first page and copy & paste each and every time you said it? C’mon! Quit back peddling.

  13. Anthony says:
    January 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Biblical belief:

    Acts 16:30-31″

    “30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, WHAT must I do to be SAVED?”

    31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

    Never, ever, ever a mention of Mary. Ever! Expect by Catholics. E

    Catholic belief:

    “None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.” (Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi, September 5, 1895) — [p. 19, no. 44]

    What you have quoted is in no way a doctrine of the Catholic Church and no Catholic is required in even the smallest way to accept these words as divinely revealed, in order that one may achieve eternal salvation. It may in fact have some merit and it may in fact turn out to be a spiritual reality that is in and of itself a mystery, but Protestants should know what the term infallible means when attached to the teachings of a Pope. What is meant is that when it comes to matters of faith ( that which you must believe to work out your salvation, as supported by the testimony of the Apostles who wrote the New Testament ) and morals, the way Christ instructed, first His Apostles and then all Christians, to live out their human existence, that Pope and those Apostles who agree on such a teaching are divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit that came upon them at Pentecost, and therefore the teaching is without error, because of the Holy Spirit. Once a Pope speaks about any matter that doesn’t involve faith and morals, he is on his own and his words are not binding in any way. But you should also know that the Pope doesn’t work in a vacuum or on his own, even and especially in matters of doctrine, he works with the See of bishops, the successors to the Apostles.

  14. “the Apostolic Church teaches that Mary was conceived without sin.”

    THIS is what we’re debating. This is what contradicts what the bible teaches. I don’t know how, why, or when it happened, but it is written that only GOD is without sin. Mary called God her SAVIOR? Tell me: WHAT exactly did she need God to save her from? Will you answer this question for me? Of course not.

    Also, you go on to say, “you begin to appreciate the real unlikelihood that the Holy Spirit would have overshadowed and our Lord would have entered the womb of a woman with original sin or any sin, great or small.”

    So then by YOUR logic, NO MAN ON EARTH can have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, because we are all sinners? By your logic, one must be a NON SINNER to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

    You say, “If Catholics were forced to point to one or more verses in the Bible to substantiate these professions, they couldn’t, but they aren’t forced to limit their divinely revealed beliefs to only Sacred Scripture because they have the testimony of the Apostles, Peter, and their successors, to draw from.”

    John, what you fail to understand over and over again is this. Our disagreement is NOT (please understand this) because what you say is NOT in the bible, it’s because what you claim is in DIRECT OPPOSITION to that which is stated in the bible. Do you get that? It would be one thing if NO WHERE in the bible was it written that only ONE is good and without sin, then you could say, “Mary is without sin” and no one could open their mouths, because we simply wouldn’t know, but that is NOT THE CASE, we DO know, it’s written!

    You say, “We can go back and forth with the ” where in the Bible does it say that”

    Again, try to follow what we are NOT saying that. Please.

    You say, “In finishing, we don’t worship Mary but we do seek her prayers and intercession and through her Immaculate Heart”

    Again, you say one thing, but do another.

    2 Corinthians 11:3, 4:

    “3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

    “In Christ.” Like I said above, Satan is a deceiver, but what he has mastered, is the art of subtlety. What you are doing is attempting to sway attention from obvious worship status that you’ve placed on Mary. Whether intentional or not, only God knows.

    “NONE obtains salvation except through”…MARY? Really? What more needs to be said? This is the core of Catholic belief. No one has come out and directly stated that, “MARY IS GOD”, but how much more obvious can it be that you think of her as such?

    How many times have people been saved SIMPLY (yes, SIMPLY) by believing in JESUS, our SAVIOR? How many times? Many were saved THEN by believing ONLY in Jesus and MANY will be saved TODAY by believing ONLY in Jesus. God doesn’t change, men change. Which is why Catholics believe that our salvation is —strictly— through Mary? And that (get this) “NONE” receives salvation but through HER.

    Amazing!

  15. For the edification of anyone reading these posts, Anthony is most assuredly correct when he points out that Mary is not God; how could she be, she was created by God and therefore she is a creature with a beginning and end, she is not God.

    Rather than taking the word of a person or people who are not Catholic and mostly know what they have heard or been taught, let me, a practicing Catholic inform you about what the Catholic Church teaches about Mary. But first you will need to appreciate the Church’s position on teaching doctrine; that which Catholics are bound to profess as part of their faith if they are to remain in full communion with this world wide Church. The Church teaches the divinely revealed Truth about the life and teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ from three branches of authority; it teaches from the authority of the Apostolic Church ( the Apostles and their line of successors )
    it teaches from the authority of the Papacy ( the leader of the Church chosen by Christ Himself and Peter’s successors ) and it teaches from the Bible, the Sacred Scriptures as canonized by the Catholic Church in the early centuries of Christianity. The first two authorities are explicitly mentioned in Sacred Scripture which we know from history, came after the apostles and Peter who went about the world baptizing new Christians in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, just as they were commanded to do at the end of John’s gospel, which was written at least four decades after the fact. Once a person is able to come to an understanding of how and why the Catholic Church draws it’s doctrines from three legitimate sources, one can then begin to understand how the Church professes truths about Mary, not explicit in the Bible.

    There are three doctrines concerning Mary that the Church holds to be the divinely inspired truth regarding Mary; First, she is the mother of God, not the woman who gave birth to the Most Holy and Blessed Trinity which has no beginning or end but she cooperated in becoming the Ark of the new and everlasting covenant, Jesus Christ. Since the Church has always taught that the Messiah is fully human ( but without sin ) and He is fully divine ( God ), Mary cannot be the mother of the human Jesus but not the mother of the divine Jesus, because the two natures are not separate but fully united. Next, drawing from the totality of scripture and the references in both the Old and New Testaments, the Apostolic Church teaches that Mary was conceived without sin. If you think about this at any length, you begin to appreciate the real unlikelihood that the Holy Spirit would have overshadowed and our Lord would have entered the womb of a woman with original sin or any sin, great or small. And lastly, the Church teaches that Mary was assumed into Heaven, body and soul, meaning that her physical body was glorified by God and never suffered corruption the way Eve and all her offspring did.

    If Catholics were forced to point to one or more verses in the Bible to substantiate these professions, they couldn’t, but they aren’t forced to limit their divinely revealed beliefs to only Sacred Scripture because they have the testimony of the Apostles, Peter, and their successors, to draw from.

    We can go back and forth with the ” where in the Bible does it say that ” contest but since we as Christians with different perspectives on how divine truth has been revealed by God, we can never come to a total agreement. We have the reformation of the 16th century to blame for that sad reality.

    In finishing, we don’t worship Mary but we do seek her prayers and intercession and through her Immaculate Heart, we hope to enter into the Sacred Heart of Jesus. You will say that is unnecessary, we believe otherwise and upon our individual deaths and the final judgement, we will all find out who had the better information, the full Truth.

  16. Biblical belief:

    Acts 16:30-31″

    “30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, WHAT must I do to be SAVED?”

    31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

    Never, ever, ever a mention of Mary. Ever! Expect by Catholics.

    Catholic belief:

    “None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.” (Leo XIII: Adiutricem populi, September 5, 1895) — [p. 19, no. 44]

  17. Deselva, thank you for the blessings, same to you, but it is you that has misunderstood, not me. But just to place it on the table, tell me: what is it that I misunderstand?

    Also, when you say “talk about”, what does that mean exactly? Surely you don’t mean when I speak of how God is the only One without sin? Is that what I’ve misinterpreted? When the bible says there is only “One that is good”, does it really means “two?” It isn’t when I say that Jesus is the Truth and the Way and the Light, and not Mary and that it’s through Jesus that we are saved, not through Mary. Is that what you say I have misinterpreted? If so, please explain how I’ve misinterpreted such a thing.

    When you agree that your salvation is through Mary, and I direct the attention to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, of which our salvation is to come through, you take that to mean what exactly? You assume me saying such a thing is an insult? How? How could stating that a woman is obviously highly favored by God, and at the same time, showing you that she is not God, imply disrespect? You look through a distorted lens and you will find a distorted image. I have said nothing wrong. Neither have I “talked about” Mary in a disrespectful way, but deifying her, without coming right out and saying such a thing, but rather doing so and so very obviously denying that you do, is not going to sit right with many, including myself. Take that for what it is, but what it isn’t, is an insult.

    • @*anthony* – you have just had * *yer hide whipped real gud ** (multible times) by the Truth Of God’s Word and The Holy Spirit – through John ..
      You can’t argue with the Truth Of The Lord God. Your “argument” lacks in anything from God’s word . Catholicism defiantly goes against The Holy Bible. How can you justify this??? You can’t. .. you can only twist nip and distort the Truth .
      You don’t have respect for God when you disobey HIS Commandments. All of us areally guilty of breaking them. We don’t ask Mary to forgive us though – we don’t need to confess it to a priest or minister – we go DIRECTLY TO THE HEAVENLY FATHER JESUS CHRIST THE HOLY SPIRIT and we pray for forgiveness – we take out sins to God and we pray to God to forgive us. Not Mary or any Saint or graven images or pieces of some sort called saints body. …
      Jesus wants you to come to Him anthony. Seriously – He really does and He will let you know in His own time /in His way…I have much to learn from Jesus for I am no better than any sinner and i personally have much to learn and be forgiven for… God Bless everyone – keep The Faith In Him x

  18. dear bro.anthony,it is really great with so much of knowledge on bible with your own misinterpretations. we are no one to talk about mother mary since lord
    has chosen her to be the mother of jesus. Further pl. note that your name is of a dead saint.God bless you.

  19. Ofcourse God’s love is unfailing and even if we’re sinners His love for us never fails. If we draw near to Him, He’ll draw near to us and if we seek Him, we shall find. That are His promises right? But that doesn’t mean we wont listen to His words like do not commit idolatry. This is sin, we know that. Praying to the statues, dead saints or whatever that contradict His words- are wrong. God is patient for our sake so maybe he’s waiting for us to stop all these things. Let’s not argue about this, iit’s up to them who’s teachings they’ll believe. We will know in God’s judgment.

  20. I am Catholic, but I don’t go to church every sunday. Most people there are not worshipping in truth but I’m not telling all. Instead of hearing the teachings of priests in the church, I study by my own reading God’s words everyday and listening to any Christian religions’ devotions. The religion is not important to me as long as I am Christian and I follow Christ Jesus teachings. Kneeling down to any statues, images or even inside in the church makes me feel nervous or uncomfortable even though my focus is God. Coz I believe that God is everywhere and omnipresent. I realized it’s not right to celebrate Christmas coz it was not stated in the bible the date of Jesus’ birth. But Jesus is already a God and not anymr a human.
    “2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.”
    Jesus came to the Earth to give SIGHT to those who cannot see and not to give peace but the sword, -that simply means we should not be blind, the knowlege of his teachings is the sword to give us sight. I hope I did not offend any Catholics here but I wanna say that it’s not right to pray to the Saints or ask them to pray to us. Talking about the statues like the Black Nazarene, Sto. Nino and etc giving us a lot of miracles might be done only by Satan. Satan mybe is happy that we worship them so he makes a lot of miracles for us to continue worshipping them. We can never say that Christ is living in the statue that whoever will touch the statue will be healed. He didn’t say these things. Christ is around. And about Paul, many of his teachings are contradict to Jesus’, so who should we follow, ofcourse our God Jesus. Do not be deceived. Faith is the most important but contradicting God’s words might offend Him and can be considered sins in His eyes

  21. Corey, lots to think about here!

    In John’s Gospel, chapter 6, versus 48-59 are explicit words that inform all who will listen and believe, that Jesus’ Flesh and Blood are to be consumed by His followers. Many of the disciples who heard these words could not accept them and left but when he turned to His Apostles and asked them if they too wanted to leave, it was Peter who said ” to whom should we turn, you have the words of eternal life”?

    Jesus didn’t say to those who did leave, wait, you misunderstood me and he didn’t say he was speaking in a parable and then explain the real meaning. Christ said what He meant and meant what He said, and it is true for every generation.

    So how is it possible for any of us to eat our Lord’s Flesh and drink His Blood when he hasn’t been physically present for 2,000 years? The answer to that is found in the Gospels when they describe the last supper, in which our Lord instructed the Apostles on how to bring about this miracle by saying the words He said and by the power and authority he gave to each of them.

    From the time of the Apostles and continuing until the end of time, those men who have been ordained by a Bishop who himself was ordained by a Bishop in a line of succession going back to the original 12 less Judas Iscariot, have the authority and power to transubstantiate ( change )
    bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ in exactly the same manner our Lord did at His last supper.

    And so this morning at Mass, I received the Body and Blood of Christ, as I do nearly every day I’m not required to work early. It’s hard to imagine a more personal relationship than that.

    Corey, reread John’s Gospel, chapter 6 in it’s entirety and see if the Holy Spirit won’t help you to come to an understanding of how important our Lord’s instruction is regarding the miracle of the changing of bread and wine into our Lord’s Body and Blood.

    Actually, the first miracle at Cana and the feeding of the multitudes also point to and are miracles leading up to the possibility that the entire world could be nourished spiritually by His Body and Blood, every day until our Lord comes again.

    In the Catholic Church we have an authority to determine when error is being professed as truth, it’s the men who succeeded Peter and the Apostles. If you study closely the Acts of the Apostles you will note that when heresy ( false doctrines ) were being spread about to the newly baptized Christians, it was the Apostles and their successors who, with the authority given them by Jesus, rejected some teachings as false and professed others as being true.

    Until the 16th century and Martin Luther’s break away from the Catholic Church, this authority to teach the Truth regarding Christ’s life and teachings, was never in question. In his break from the Church it was Luther who made the determination that the bible was the sole authority in matters of faith and morals, but who gave Luther the authority to make such a claim? Were you aware that Martin Luther was an Augustinian priest in the Catholic Church and when his pleas for reform within the Church was rejected by the Pope and their personal differences led to Luther being excommunicated, he formulated his own doctrines?

    Were you also aware that during the time of our Lord and Savior, there were two sacred canons
    ( list of books considered inspired and revealed by God through His prophets ) for the Jews?
    The one canon was being used was in Hebrew and the other in Greek. Scripture scholars acknowledge that most of the quotes attributed to having been made by Jesus, are from the septuagint, which contained and still contain the books that Protestants refer to as apocryphal but Catholics and Eastern Orthodox term dutero canonical ( which should be translated as an additional list or second list but not in any way uninspired or revealed by God ). In these books, you will read about praying for the dead; the First and Second Maccabees are the best example.
    In this canon they are listed under historical books.

    The question one must ask oneself is why our Lord quoted so often from the canon accepted by the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches but rejected by the Protestant Church and the Jews who rejected Christ then and reject Him now? Unless it was helpful in promoting the doctrines that one group wanted to use to distance that group from the teachings of the Apostles and their successors.

    You do realize that it was the Apostles who wrote most of the New Testament and their successors or disciples if you will. And it was this group of priests, with the successor to Peter as their head, that actually created the canon of scriptures and for nearly twelve centuries went unchallenged until Luther and likeminded Christians broke away from the Church our Lord founded and Blessed before His death and resurrection and the subsequent coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and our Blessed Mother at Pentecost.

    Lastly, don’t you find it peculiar that within the bible itself, there is no explicit statement saying that the bible is the sole authority but the scriptures themselves are explicit when we hear the words of our Lord when he gave authority to the Apostles to bind and loose sin and to Peter when our Lord handed him the keys to the kingdom and that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church our Lord founded and handed to Peter and his successors, ever!

    As far as your belief that Catholics do not have a personal relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, you should not believe everything you hear; I’m Catholic and my relationship with our Lord is very personal, after all, it was through His life, death and resurrection that I have the possibility of eternal bliss in His Presence and that of His Father, the Holy Spirit and all of the Angels and Saints who continuously sing His praise. You might very well be shocked to discover that great numbers of Catholics have a very deep, profound and personal relationship with the Most Holy Name of Jesus Christ.

    May God bless you in every way possible, may he protect you and your family, always, and may you live in the Truth.

    John

  22. God jesus and the holy spirit is one I know according to the bible that praying to the saints is wrong cuz it say I am the way the truth and the light no man commeth to the father but thru me the bible is talking about jesus I read one comment saying that diffrent people interpet the scriptures diffrently that is true but if it contridicts the word of god then it is not from the holy spirit but of the world I believe that cathlics shouldnt be labled as christians becuz they pray to the saints for example there are sum religions that belive in jesus but that doesnt make them christian what makes them christian is that they follow the teachings of jesus and have a personal relationship with him that is where the catholics are lacking if they had a personal relationship with jesus and was lead by the holy spirit they would know that praying to the saints is wrong cuz jesus God and the holy spirit are one and the same and if jesus says to pray to him why are people praying to the saints it is becuz they were not lead by the holy spirit becuz the holy spirit is one with God why would the holy spirit say pray to the saints and jesus says to pray to him it doesnt make sense cuz jesus and god and the holy spirit are one the same that is why it is important to check with the word of God and if it contridicts the word it is not from god it is from the world or a lie of satan hopes this helps I hope it helps me too im only 18 and not livin right right now if u can pray for me that be great I need it 🙂

  23. So, are you saying we shouldn’t talk to the dead? What happens if this is done?

  24. Dear Brothers & Sisters, please delve into the Holy Word of God, and consider what our Lord Jesus said in rebuking the devil when being tempted by him to turn the stone into bread: “It is written, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but BY EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of GOD.” (Matthew 4:4) Jesus Christ drew from the Scriptures in Deuteronomy 8:3 to combat Satan in this instance. The emphasis here is manifold especially when one realizes the spiritual symbolism and parabolic imagery associated with our Lord’s words. However, this is not my point. My point is in the literal sense in which Jesus reiterates those words spoken to the Israelites after being led out of Egypt and given God’s Law. As such the emphasis is on EVERY WORD that comes from the mouth of God. If you are truly reborn in Jesus our Christ then you must accept the Holy Bible as the inadvertant Truth, unadulterated, inerrant Word of God (not going to get into various translations b/c gets too deep in the weeds; plus you have to rely on the guidance and counsel of the Spirit of Christ to lead you through such decisions as to which, if any, of the various versions of God’s Word have been diluted to the point of no longer being the Word of God that we are required to believe as Truth).

    At any rate, you should not pray to dead saints for many reasons not the least of which is because they are DEAD! Or, as our Lord stated during his ministry when referring to someone who had died: “She is only sleeping.” A dead or “sleeping” saint who is in Christ enters into the Kingdom of God at the coming of Christ. Until then, they ‘sleep’, have no conciousness, and most certainly are NOT in heaven. You cannot find anywhere in the Word of God that says you go to heaven immediately after you die. That’s because it is NOT there. The soul returns to God, yes, but the soul apart from the body has no conciousness. This is why Paul says all of creation travails until the coming of Christ to learn who we are, who the sons (and daughters) of God truly are. The belief that our dearly departed are in heaven looking down upon us is false and a lie of our enemy. It came from false teachings and traditions of man…not God.

    If you believe this then you do not accurately believe in the resurrection of the dead in Christ at His coming unto complete salvation and unto the new glorified body…just as it was with our Lord Jesus when God raised Him 3 days after His crucifixion. Therefore, you will be lost either to the second resurrection which occurs after the Millennial (1000 year) Reign on earth of Jesus Christ or lost forever. You cannot experience that which you do not believe in! That’s the whole basis of “Christ in us – the hope of glory”. This is the theme of the entire Bible! But it’s best explained by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. Also see Peter’s sermon on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:29) in this verse he clearly states that king David is still dead in his grave waiting for the resurrection of the dead unto Christ…King David nor anyone else have yet to arrive in heaven or the Kingdom of God our Father.

  25. Basic Christianity teaches that people in heaven are alive, not dead.

    Jesus is our one and only mediator. Intercession is different.

    “Teach us how to pray,” the disciples said to Jesus. (Luke 11, 1)

    Jesus answered by teaching them the prayer we call the Our Father or The Lord’s Prayer.

    Our Father, who art in heaven,
    hallowed be thy name.
    Thy Kingdom come,
    thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give US this day OUR daily bread.
    Forgive US OUR trespasses,
    as WE forgive those who trespass against US.
    And lead US not into temptation,
    but deliver US from evil.

    The entire second part of the Lord’s prayer is intercessory prayer where we pray for ourselves and others (us, we, and our).

    Christians praying for each other and the world is intercessory prayer and is accepted and practiced by all Christan denominations (that I know about).

    Before Jesus Christ died for our sins and opened the gates of heaven there were no saints in heaven. Therefore there are no Old Testament writings that would mention them.

    Very few of the new Christians died before most of the New Testament was written. Therefore there is little in the Bible about asking saints to pray for us.

    However the last book of the Bible does talk about the saints in heaven praying.

    Revelation 5:8: Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.

    Revelation 8:3-4: He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne. The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.

    The Holy Spirit guided the early Church in many things not explained in the Bible including how does the Body of Christ (believers) living on Earth relate to the Body of Christ (saints) living in heaven. We are still one Body.

    Catholics share the belief in the Communion of Saints with many other Christians, including the Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Episcopal, and Methodist Churches.

    The Communion of Saints is the belief where all saints are intimately related in the Body of Christ, a family. When you die and go to heaven, you do not leave this family.

    Everyone in heaven or on their way to heaven are saints, you, me, my deceased grandmother, Mary the mother of Jesus, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II.

    As part of this family, you may ask your family and friends living here on earth to pray for you. Or, you may also ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Andrew, or your deceased grandmother living in heaven to pray for you.

    Prayer to saints in heaven is simple communication, not worship.

    Asking others to pray for you whether your loved ones on Earth or your loved ones in heaven is always optional.

    For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 946 and following: http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/index.cfm

    With love in Christ.

    REFERENCE: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100521201122AATAuSE

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