Praying To Dead Saints

Should We Pray to Dead Saints?

There are verses in the Bible that say that we are not to try and communicate with the dead. The “dead” are those humans who have already died and passed over to the other side – whether it be to heaven or to hell.

I believe God is telling us with the word “communicate” that we are not to even try and pray to them.

The reason is obvious. They are in heaven.

They are not omnipresent like God is. And even if someone should try and pray to them – there is no way that person would even hear your prayers to begin with unless God would allow it or would transmit the prayer to them.

Even though that dead saint is up in heaven – this person still has no power on his own to make anything happen for you. The best they could do for you is to pray direct to God.

So why waste your time praying direct to a dead saint who does not have God’s full, supernatural power to answer your prayer in the first place – and who probably will not even hear or pick up your prayer anyway, since the chances of that dead saint being tuned into your specific prayer at a specific time are probably a million to one.

When Jesus was walking in the New Testament – He specifically told us that we are to pray direct to God the Father if we have any specific needs that must be met.

There is not one verse that I am aware of where He told us that we could also pray direct to dead saints. If God the Father wanted this possibility as an option, then I believe Jesus would have specifically told us so in the New Testament – but He did not!

The reason for this is because God the Father is a jealous God. He, and He alone, is our one and only true God and Father. He, and He alone, is the only One who has the full supernatural power to answer any of our specific prayer requests.

Jesus’ death on the cross has now opened up the gates to heaven. The Bible tells us that we can now boldly approach the throne of God for prayer and intimate communication anytime we want. If you will notice, it says to approach the throne of God, not the thrones of dead saints!

I personally believe that when some people start praying to dead saints instead of going direct to God the Father, I think they may actually be hurting God’s feelings.

Here God is, sitting up in heaven, only wanting to help us in this life – and then all of a sudden He sees one of His own going direct to a dead saint who has no supernatural power on his own to answer any part of their specific prayer request.

However, I know He knows that many of His people do it out of ignorance because they really do not know what the Bible says about all of this, and they do not understand how the big picture is all set up.

Here are some specific Scripture verses telling us that we are not to attempt to commune with the dead. The clue is in the word “medium” or “spiritist.” A medium is one who attempts to call up the dead in order for that person to be able to communicate with that dead person. This is what you call a basic seance.

There are several well know mediums right now who are all over the place on TV actually doing séances for people to try and reach their dead loved ones. If God the Father is condemning this kind of activity as you will see in the following verses – then I also believe that you can extrapolate on this and assume that God does not want you trying to communicate direct with the dead even on your own.

If God does not want a medium trying to contact the dead for you – then I also believe it is safe to assume that God does not want you trying to contact the dead through any kind of prayer effort on your own. When you start trying to pray to a dead saint, you are attempting to try and communicate directly with the one you are praying to.

Bottom line:

  • God the Father is the only One who has the full supernatural power to answer any of our specific prayer requests.
  • God has it set up through His Son’s death on the cross that we are to approach His throne, and His throne alone, with any of our specific prayer requests. He does not want us going to anyone else, either in heaven above or on this earth.

We can ask others down here to pray for us and with us, to pray in agreement with us, but we are not to pray direct to any human down here for them to actually answer any of our specific prayers.

So if it would be ridiculous for us to pray to someone else down here on this earth to actually answer any of our specific prayers, then it only stands to reason that it would be just as ridiculous to pray direct to a dead saint up in heaven to answer any of our specific prayers.

The other question some people have on this is if they can pray and ask a dead saint to pray direct to God for them as an actual intercessor. Again, even doing this is still an attempt to try and communicate with this dead saint, and as such, I do not believe God wants us doing this. There are enough people down here on this earth that we can ask to pray for us and with us without having to go direct to dead saints who are living up in heaven.

The Scripture Verses

Here are 4 very good verses specifically telling us that we are not to have anything to do with “mediums” or the “calling up of the dead.”

  • “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.” (Deuteronomy 18:9)
  • Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:31)
  • And the person who turns after mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.” (Leviticus 20:6)
  • “So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance.” (1 Chronicles 10:13)

Notice the words “calls up the dead,” and the statement that God makes that this practice is an abomination in His eyes! When you are attempting to call up the dead, you are attempting to try and directly communicate with them.

Notice that God uses the word “prostitute” as an analogy. You are prostituting yourself against God when you start seeking supernatural help or guidance from any one else but Him!

King Saul got into big trouble with God when he asked a witch to call up the prophet Samuel who had already died. He literally incurred the wrath of God when he did this, and this eventually led to his downfall and early death.

Notice the verse says that the reason Saul was trying to call up Samuel was for guidance. Instead of going direct to God the Father for the guidance that he was needing, he tries to contact one of God’s dead saints. Samuel was a great man and a great prophet of God, but God was wanting Saul to come directly to Him for any guidance that he was needing, not to a dead saint!

This story is a perfect example showing that we are to go directly to God the Father if we need any help with anything, not to any dead saints who are living up in heaven.

Also notice the very intense language that God is using when He is warning us not to attempt to try and communicate with the dead.

He is telling us that it is an “abomination” in His eyes, and that He will set His face against us if we try and do it. He also says that this kind of activity “defiles” us in His eyes. I do not think God could give us any more of a stricter warning on this issue than by the way that He has worded all of the above Scripture verses.

Even though some people are not consulting mediums when they are trying to pray to dead saints, I believe they are still trying to communicate directly with them through their direct prayer efforts and they are thus violating a basic direct commandment from the Lord on this issue.

I do not know if this will help your friend or if she will agree with any part of this, but those are my thoughts on this issue and what I feel God is trying to tell us through His Word on this subject.

Many people are engaging in séances these days, as it is a big part of the New Age Movement. Trying to do any part of this could be major door openers to the dark side. Demons can definitely come in on some of these people who try and play this game.

Many times, the medium is literally taken over by a demonic spirit masquerading as a dear, departed, loved one, and a demon is literally speaking through the medium’s vocal cords imitating the departed love one.

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  1. Gottfried - May 18, 2016 at 11:12 am

    WOW. There are real perversions of the scripture in many of these comments. Jesus is the ONLY one resurrected from the grave who said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father accept through Me”.
    No other person in the Bible said that.
    We are all called saints if we have accepted Christ as our Savior. We are joint hiers with Him but we by no means have the power to forgive sins. Only God can do that.
    The Bible says that the dead in Christ will rise first upon His return for us. The Bible needs not be interpreted by our finite little minds compared to the finite wisdom of God.
    When people die, they do not become ghosts or angels. For those who follow Christ, their spirits are taken to be in His presence (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). Those who did not follow Christ are tormented until final judgment (Luke 16:22-23). There is nothing in the Bible to indicate that the dead have influence over events on earth. In fact, the Bible says that there are no grief, tears, or unhappiness in heaven (Revelation 21:4), which seems to preclude those in heaven from even knowing what is happening on earth.

    Instead of holding the dead near, the Bible warns us to have nothing to do with trying to speak with the dead. Deuteronomy 18:10-12 says that God will drive out those who call up the dead. Leviticus 19:31 says that meeting with a medium or spiritist defiles the one who came, and Leviticus 20:27 says the punishment for being a medium or spiritist was death.

    There is one account of a medium in the Bible actually communing with the dead. In 1 Samuel 28, beset by the Philistines, King Saul goes to a medium (literally: “mistress of the ghost”) to get advice from the late prophet Samuel. When God does allow Samuel to show up, Samuel responds “Why have you disturbed me…?” (vs. 15). Samuel was not pleased about returning his attentions to earth. He did not want to leave where he was.

    Only God is able to hear our prayers and answer them wisely. He is never out of our reach (Psalm 139:7-12). He is powerful enough to do what we want (Revelation 19:6). But He is also wise enough to know what we need (Psalm 147:4-5).

    There are two verses which, taken out of context, seem to suggest praying to the dead. The first is Hebrews 12:1 which starts, “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight …” This verse directly follows a list of Old Testament people who are noted for their faithfulness to God. The “cloud of witnesses” surrounding us means Old Testament saints. But it does not mean those saints are literally surrounding us. Instead, their legacy and example permeates the church, giving us encouragement to live as we should.

    The second verse is used to justify praying to saints. James 5:16b says, “The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.” Some take this to mean we should ask the righteous in heaven to pray for us. But the verse comes on the heel of several admonitions for the letter’s audience to pray for healing and repentance. There is no mention of praying to the dead or asking the dead to pray for us.

    Praying to the dead is unbiblical. The Bible condemns it as both useless and dangerous. Very often, personal issues are left unresolved when a loved one dies. Those left behind may wish to speak the words they needed to say beforehand, in hopes that the dead can hear. If the dead was a believer, they most likely give no thought to their earthly trials. If they weren’t, they will be tormented forever. Either way, they can’t hear us.

    Instead, speak to the only One Who can bring closure to our own hearts. Tell God how you feel, what you think about the other person, and whatever regrets you may have. Jesus is the only mediator we need; because of His sacrifice “Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need” (Hebrews 4:16). The power of Christ in us brings healing, not the involvement of the dead.

  2. Jb - May 13, 2016 at 4:25 am

    Josie, you study the bible but you lack true interpretations of what you read because you read it in the flesh, TO side a demonic doctrine in the name of denomination, rather than have the holy Spirit teach you His word so that the truth can set you free once you believe. THE very revelation 5:8 you talk about is a future revelation of what is going to happen when we have left this earth and the new heaven and earth is set, and you can read from verses 1-14. To understand better, so if you want to continue praying to saints, you are free, but at the end you will have yourself to blame for involving in doctrine of demons…

  3. Quanda - October 29, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Hi I would really appreciate some clarification here. I have a friend who is born again two years now. She says she has regular visits from the saints, who communicate with her and also the apostle Paul. (yes from the bible) she says she has many visions and encounters. I told her I believe this goes against scripture and is necromancy. She got upset with me and saidsaid, “I do not conjure up familiar spirits, I don’t go looking for them, they come to me and I test the spirit). Now I know the bible says to test the spirits but it also says do not communicate with the dead. So I’m confused and not sure what to believe. She says moat church going Christians are too religious and Gods doing new work in us. Advice please and blessings.

  4. josie - March 6, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    One charge made against it is that the saints in heaven cannot even hear our prayers, making it useless to ask for their intercession. However, this is not true. As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

    Some might try to argue that in this passage the prayers being offered were not addressed to the saints in heaven, but directly to God. Yet this argument would only strengthen the fact that those in heaven can hear our prayers, for then the saints would be aware of our prayers even when they are not directed to them!

    In any event, it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.

  5. john t - April 23, 2014 at 5:00 pm

    Would have thought this thread was dead and buried by now.

    The Reformation took place more than 1,500 years after our Lord’s resurrection.

    Therefore, the products of that reformation can NOT be the Church our Lord founded on earth — because the one He did found was guaranteed to prevail for all time. He didn’t promise that a future Church would take it’s place.

    Jesus, after recognizing that His Father in heaven infused Simon the apostle with the knowledge that Jesus was the Christ, changed his name to Peter (Petros – rock in Greek) and gave him the keys to the kingdom and the authority to loose and bind sin. Why?

    At the opening of the Acts of the Apostles, why does the Gospel writer make a point of telling us that it was Peter who performed the first miracle after Pentecost? Also, why did the Gospel writers go into great detail to tell us of our Lord’s conversation with Peter in which he asked him three times if he loved Him and Peter’s three responses — which were followed by our Lord’s admonition to, feed my sheep and feed my flock and feed my lambs? What did our Lord mean by that?

    In the sixth chapter of John, our Lord informs his followers, disciples, apostles, that unless they eat His flesh and drink His blood, they have no life in them. What did he mean? At the Last Supper, our Lord took bread, blessed it, offered it up to His Father and gave it to the Twelve saying, that they should take it and eat for this was now His flesh that would be given up for them. He also took the cup and after giving thanks to His Father, blessed it and told them to drink of the cup which was now his blood, which would be given up for them. Where but in the Catholic Church is there to be found the means to eat His true flesh and drink His true blood? If the twelve apostles made up the nucleus of the Church founded by Christ and were sent forth on Pentecost, to baptize all nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit — what Church other than the Catholic Church can trace it’s roots to the twelve?

    If there was some sort of apostasy and that Church failed, then did not Christ’s promise also fail?

    You might do yourselves a favor and start reading about the early Church fathers and see what they had to say about the struggles and victories of the first few centuries after our Lord ascended back into His Kingdom.

  6. Mary - April 23, 2014 at 11:14 am

    The article addresses some real issues that foster waywardness in Christians from the infallible word of God. The article mentioned that we should not pray to people because they are in heaven. Two things that I need clarification on are: it was my understanding that when people die they are sleeping and awaiting judgement day ( 1 Peter 4:5 and 2 Timothy 4:1); therefore, how can they be in heaven, if they have not been judged? Also, saints were canonized by the Roman Catholic Church (Council of Nicea and Constantine) according to their church doctrine that is not sound biblical doctrine, as they to this day continue to canonize persons to sainthood. There are references to saints in the bible; the word “saint” is derived from a Greek verb (hagiazo [aJgiavzw]) whose basic meaning is “to set apart, ” “sanctify, ” or “make holy.” Are we all not to be set apart, sanctified, or holy? (1 Peter 1:15-16) Are we not made in his likeness and image? So, why would we not be saints?

  7. Dorries - April 23, 2014 at 10:42 am

    Dear Saint
    Thank you for this article it help me a lot
    I come from a family who believe in praying for the dead and when ever
    God blesses them they think is the dead and they consult spiritualist
    In order to communicate with the dead .

    When ever I tell them about God they don’t bealive , and it hurt
    Me to see my family going to hell because of their believe .
    I pray and believe that one day they will see the light

    Thank you
    God bless

  8. Marksadams01 - December 2, 2013 at 9:27 am

    He came and received the scroll from the right hand of the one who sat on the throne. When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones. Rev 5:7-8

    Intercessors of our prayers.

  9. john t - June 26, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Here are a few thoughts that can be taken from actions that are explicit in the Bible;

    It was Peter who correctly stated that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, and our Lord stated that he knew this not from his own knowledge but because the Father told him this truth.

    Peter denied Christ three times during his Passion and then after His resurrection, Christ asked Peter three times if he loved Him and Peter atoned for his three denials by saying yes Lord. Then our Lord instructed Peter to feed his sheep and lambs and tend His flock.

    Like Abraham who had been named Abram, Peter was renamed by our Lord after having been known as Simon.
    Abraham was the patriarch of the Isrealites, Peter the new patriarch of Christ’s followers. We know this because scripture tells us that when Jesus renamed Simon he also stated that he was building his Church upon him, whose name in Greek is Petros, meaning rock.

    At the very beginning of the Acts of the Apostles, it is Peter who performs the type of miracle our Lord had been performing while still on this earth; he gave a cripple his legs back to be able to walk.

    Which is more logical? Does scripture give us all this information so that we can get to know a man who died 2,000 years ago or does it lead us to understand the primacy the head of the apostles was given by Christ Himself and then handed down to his successors?

    Before you deny this primacy and the apostolic succession just mentioned, what does scripture tell us happened after the resurrection but before Pentecost? Did not the apostles fill the office left vacant by Judas Iscariot by making Matthias his replacement? If not, why does scripture tell us that Peter and the eleven were present when the Holy Spirit came over them at Pentecost?

    Does not scripture also tell us that Barnabas became an apostle and a companion of St. Paul? Sure looks like the number of apostles is growing as the Church grew. If you were to research the writings of the early Church fathers of the first three centuries A.D. you would discover that there were even more bishops overseeing the new churches that St. Paul established, as did other apostles of the original twelve.

    A question you might ask yourself is why did Jesus give the apostles the power and authority to forgive and bind man’s sins if man simply needed to confess his or her sins directly to God? Did scripture make a mistake or was Christ speaking in parables? Almost any scripture scholar of any worth would dismiss the notion that Christ was speaking in parables; it was an explicit responsibility given to these first apostles and then passed on through apostolic succession. There are no mistakes in the bible.

    I could continue by discussing the true meaning behind the miracles of the fish and loaves and the turing water into wine as type of the sacrifice our Lord offered at the last supper and on the cross when he told the original twelve apostles that the bread and wine they were about to receive was actually His Body and Blood and then the next day, blood and water gushed from His side after being pierced by the lance of the soldier. That is an equally important discussion that leads us to the sixth chapter of John’s Gospel speaking to the need to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood; using a double amen which in no other place within scripture, is taken any other way than explicitly. In fact, when Jesus proclaimed this to His listeners, His new disciples, many turned away and said this is too difficult to follow and yet Christ did not stop them and say he was speaking in parables; he let them go on their own way. He then asked His apostles if they too planned on leaving and PETER said something profound, “No Lord, who would we follow, it is You that has the words of eternal life” This after Jesus had just stated that those who eat His Flesh and drink His Blood have eternal life in them. Where is the only place on earth that proclaims it has the authority and ability to change ordinary bread and wine into this eternal food, the new manna from heaven?

    May you all be blessed in your search to find and live the eternal truths.

    May each and every one of you who read these words be blessed abundantly with the peace of Christ,

    John T.

  10. Anna - June 26, 2013 at 3:56 am

    Hello Sandra,

    I don’t know where you get the idea that I am ‘exploring’ what is ‘bad’ in the catholic church, most denominations have their flaws, I have chosen to follow the one true God, the God of the Bible, Jesus The Way, the Truth and the Life. and any denomination preaching a gospel different from that I will not follow, this post was primarily mentioning praying to dead saints and a lot of arguments came up about Catholics, I was merely pointing out the little knowledge I have acquired concerning the doctrines in the Catholic Church, I have no right to say something is bad or not that is not me especially with doctrines, I can only say I cannot follow a doctrine being preached that’s contrary to what the Bible tells me,Choose this day whom you will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the Lord and the Lord alone.

  11. Sandra - June 25, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Anna, I’m excited to see that you are going to explore what you see as bad in the Catholic Church. I think that if you do authentic searching, you will discover that all you think you know about the one true Church is false and you won’t find our beauty any where else. God bless you on your journey home.

  12. gibson000@yahoo.com - June 11, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    If praying to dead saints is wrong, how does one explain Revelation 5:8?

    Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:

    “You are worthy to take the scroll,
    And to open its seals;
    For You were slain,
    And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
    Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
    10 And have made us[a] kings[b] and priests to our God;
    And we[c] shall reign on the earth.”

  13. Jeremy - March 25, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    Hi All,

    I thought i would get into this conversation I have had experience praying to saints, to marry etc and i have to say it works i have had a lot of amazing things come from this. I have praying for years as a christian i don’t know how well that went but for some reason praying with the Saints not to but with them it allows your prayers to get heard faster i guess i have no idea but server times when i have prayed the St. Joseph prayer this has worked countless times i can’t even explain it. I don’t know why but this works amazing. There are lots of things also we need to realize that used to connect us to the old but we have to start getting ourselves to remember and humble ourselves we are so caught up in so many things you have to disconnect those things we are supposed to pray to Christ in a private room. I don’t know just rambling but its just a point i thought i might make. It worked for me thats all i can say.

  14. john - March 14, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Did Jesus pray for the dead? Did Jesus speak to the dead? Did anyone hear Jesus speaking to the dead? Did Jesus teach anyone about speaking to the dead? Where the dead benifitted by Jesus praying for them? Are the dead now benifitted by Jesus praying for them? Did any one object to Jesus praying to the dead? Did anyone object to Hin speaking to the dead?

    • m sim - June 15, 2018 at 8:00 pm

      I believe he told his dead friend Lazarus to come out of the place where they laid him.

  15. quia - February 13, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Thanks sister. You are right, it’s all about the truth. The Lord called you for a purpose and to be used by Him according to His plan and purpose for this time. The Lord will reward us all according to our deeds. Let no one take your crown. We must stay with Jesus and focus on Him. Yeshua bless you.

  16. quia - February 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I don’t say fellowship with Christians is wrong. It’s okay to listen to them preaching the gospels. But do not follow them. Churches today have mixed Jesus’ teachings with pagans, false doctrines and human rules that are unpleasing to Him. Most churches do not preach the truth that can save souls. If they would speak the truth then they would be persecuted, they would be rejected but they are part of the world. The wrath of God will come on these churches for their wickedness also because they are leading people astray. They are promising them salvation which they themselves do not have. They themselves do not know the real Jesus Christ.

    Come out from amongst them and be holy and Jesus will accept you as a child of God. Jesus wants to have a personal and intimate relationship with each one of us. He rewards those who diligently seek Him. Friend, are you in a relationship with Christ or are you part of these churches? Which do we prefer. Do not think that you will get into heaven by giving money to your church or by saying a sinners prayer and paying Him lip service. We cannot use Jesus as a convenience. People of church do good deed for Christ in their actions for the poor, sick, widow, fatherless, orphans but they do not love Him with a pure heart.
    If you follow Jesus you will be saved, but if you follow a false Christian path to salvation you cannot be saved. You can only find Him if you seek Him with all your heart, repent daily, turn away from sins and speak humbly to Him in anyways. You do not have to pray in proper way or reciting a religious prayer. Say what your heart speaks, proper words is not important to Him but the heart.
    False teachings lead you to death, it is sin for God. Many Christians follow false paths, they believe many philosophies and false doctrines can get them into the Kingdom.

    Do not be decieved. Do not trust anyone but Jesus. Do not believe and trust everything that you hear and see to be real and truth. Do not follow after signs, miracles and wonders. The enemy has ensnared many, they believe the fake and reject the true. Do not believe these dead saints to help you. These are fake things, made by Satan, perform miracles to deceive many. Follow Jesus every step of the way, then you will not be deceived.

    Not all churches are false but the church where I came out is a hoax. I just study the bible and Jesus Himself revealed to me in my dream. I nowhere to go but the Lord warned me to just stay with Him. He also said to warn people because many are decieved. People believe and trusted fake men, women, preachers and teachers who pretend to be who they are not. He said that “False people will arise and even proclaim to be of Me but they are not.” Many people follow these false prophets because they do not know Him.
    He said through my thoughts “They cannot blame Me, they will be full of regrets when it is too late. I warn them but they do not listen.” He is alive, He’s around us. He also said not to limit His power because nothing is impossible with Him.
    If you want to hear His voice, the holy spirit will help you. Just make sure it is not a voice of a devil that sounded like true. They will do everything to stop you from communicating to the Lord. But they cannot control us, Jesus is our only solution.
    Jesus said: My sheep hear my voice, I know them, they follow me. John 10:27
    He said: Draw closer to Me and I will draw closer to you, seek Me and you shall find me.

    The Lord loves us all and He cares for us. That’s why He is warning us because He wants us to be saved. May the truth open hearts. Only the truth can set anyone free. Be blessed.

  17. anna - February 13, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    John: I was curious to see what you will say about that article by the Cardinal admitting mixing paganism and christianity which really is the base for this discussion, that said I want to point out that the church in the Bible talks about Gods people, and the centre of it, and who Gods people should look upon is Jesus christ, ROmans 12: 4-6: 4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
    5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
    6Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

    if you look at our body we each have different parts, which serve a specific purpose in the operation of the body, God has given us gifts which we should all use to bring Gods people together, those going astray are led to the right path, unite as one body, Jesus christ being the body, so all roads should not lead to rome, all roads should lead to the message of the cross, Jesus christ! which is bible truth! so any church going against any bible truth I cannot go there if they consistently refuse to go back to the scriptures for reproof, for correction, etc.
    my focus is still in God, and I am using my God given gift to bring people back to focus on Jesus Christ which is how it should be, I refuse to go to a church tainted with paganism until I find one that teaches truth I will attend and I believe God will lead me to one, meanwhile am not just staying idle, I am busy spreading word to my friends to go back to reading the bible and praying, we have bible study groups, we pray together, and we bring more people to the bible truth and to focus on Jesus Christ, another thing I should point out is, more Bible truth has come to me now that am off church than when I was going to church I sometimes wish I knew this ages ago but its all Gods plan his ways are not our ways,and I feel I am being prepared for something greater and bigger.

    and as I am still waiting for the right church so much revelation is coming to me, that I literally wanna call a confrence with all my family and friends and tell them whats happening, but baby steps firts,
    I am over and out, I wish you all Gods blessing, may you all come to fulfill your God given purpose,

  18. john - February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    The server or something went haywire so I’ll continue my thoughts. Our Lord used THEY not he or she, plural not singular. In Matthew’s gospel, chapter 25, especially 31-46 all Christians are given a stern warning of what is expected of each of us. We are a community of people, a world wide community of people, all created by God and therefore valuable beyond understanding. It is in this understanding that we are all in this together that our salvation will be worked out.

    Think of it this way; If you were to draw a vertical line that represented your personal relationship with God you would not have the cross of Christianity, but as soon as you draw the horizontal line that represents our relationships with each other, you do.

    If you were to memorize every word in the bible and could quote them at will but never put those words into practice, you will have wasted your time and that of those who listened. The purpose of the words of Sacred Scripture is to put into action the teachings of Christ.

    Christ sent the disciples out two by two, to preach and heal and at the end of John’s gospel, to baptize the world in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. A disciple can’t do much good by him or herself, at home trying to work out their own salvation.

    When a Christian comes to the understanding that they will be saved in and by the selfless efforts to save their fellow man, they will have followed our Lord’s teachings and commands.

    Look at St. Paul, how well would Christianity have spread in the first century A.D. had he stayed home and simply read the Jewish Scriptures? How many Churches would have been founded like those at Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Thessalonia… ?

    I’l offer another example; If you have one thin strand of string, it would be relatively easy to stretch and break that single strand but it you take a dozen more of those thin strands and intertwine them, it will be much harder to stretch and break that new rope.

    The New Testament is full of examples that point to the absolute need for Christians to act in community and love each other as Christ loved each and every one of us.

    There certainly is nothing wrong with having a personal relationship with our Lord, He desires that, but that isn’t the end of the story, we must then go out into the world and be the salt of the earth and the light of Christ, after being strengthened to do so as a result of our personal relationship.

    God desires our hearts and prayers. He wants us to be in constant communication but He also wants us as a community of believers to offer Him public worship so that we may all strengthen the other. God doesn’t need us or our prayers but He does Love us and He does want us all to spend eternity with Him.

    Salvation will be found through Christ, and with Him and in Him and when we realize that He is found in the poor, the hungry, the naked, the homeless, the imprisoned then we take the words of scripture and bring them to life.

    May God bless us all abundantly and protect all of us and our families from harm and evil.

  19. john - February 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    How about we examine the thinking that salvation is best found in a personal, one on one relationship with Christ.

    Our Lord said something along the lines that wherever two or more of you are gathered, I am there with you. In the sermon on the mount or in the plain, our Lord used the words blessed are the ________ _______ _________ for THEY

  20. Anna - February 13, 2012 at 2:15 am

    Quia I can tell the Spirit of God is in you, be blessed and may you fulfill your God given purpose on this earth, so young yet you got wisdom more than any older adult, I also don’t go church anymore as I haven’t found a true bible teaching church, until then I worship and praise my Lord in my house, God bless you all this should be about truth and not defense of a religion, the truth is there, we have the bible as our guideline anything out of it is not of God but God has given us free will to choose,

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