Engaging With Demons in the 2nd Heaven

Warning – Do Not Engage With Demons in the 2nd Heaven Unless Directly Authorized by the Lord

In the area of spiritual warfare, one very controversial issue you will come across is whether or not we, as born-again believers, have the power and authority to try and attempt to engage with demons who are in the 2nd heaven, who are in what the Bible calls the “heavenly places.”

After researching both sides of this very controversial issue, it is our personal opinion that unless God Himself directly authorizes and commissions you to engage in this kind of very special, high level type of spiritual warfare, that you stay completely away from this kind of activity.

If you try to step into this kind of arena without God’s direct approval and protection, you could open both yourself and possibly the members of your immediate family to major attacks from these higher-ranking demons.

In this article, I want to give you both sides of this argument so you can come to your own conclusions, as I have seen very good arguments made on both sides. I will also give you the titles to 2 very good books on this topic that will give you both opposing points of view on this topic.

1. There Are 3 Heavens

The first thing you need to know from our Bible is that there really are higher-ranking demons in Satan’s kingdom who are controlling much of the evil activity that occurs on our earth from these 2nd heaven positions.

The apostle Paul gives us a major revelation in that there are 3 heavens. As you will see from this following verse, it would appear that he is talking about himself when he was taken up to the “third heaven” where God the Father and Jesus dwell. Here is the first verse you will need to have on this topic so you can see exactly how Satan has some of his demonic hierarchy set up, both on our earth and in the heavenlies.

“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows – such a one was caught up to the third heaven. And I know such a man – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows – how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.” (2 Corinthians 12:2-3)

Many Bible scholars believe Paul was talking about himself, that he was the one who was caught up into the third heaven to have some kind of major encounter with the Lord. And if Paul was taken up to the third heaven by the Lord Himself, then there has to be a first heaven and a second heaven.

The first heaven I believe is our earth where we live at. The second heaven is the air – the atmosphere.

2. Satan is the Prince and Power of the Air

The second thing you need to know is that Satan and many of his demons are still allowed with God’s permission to roam about in this 2nd heaven – the air. The verse that gives us this direct revelation from the Lord is the following verse:

“And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience … ” (Ephesians 2:1-2)

Many Bible scholars believe that the prince of the power of the air in this verse is none other than Satan himself. And if Satan is still allowed by the Lord to roam in our air, in this 2nd heaven to see who he can try and devour next, then many of his demons are also being allowed to roam about in this 2nd heaven as he is.

3. Principalities and Powers – Demons in the 2nd Heaven

This will now take us to the third piece of revelation you will need on this topic so you can see exactly what we are dealing with. This next verse will now give us revelation from the apostle Paul that Satan has his demonic kingdom divided up into what the Bible calls principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness. Here is the verse:

“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” (Ephesians 6:12)

Again, many Bible scholars believe that the words, “principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual hosts of wickedness” are referring to some of Satan’s higher-ranking demons who are in these 2nd heaven positions. The reason they believe this is due to the last four words – “in the heavenly places.”

I believe the words, “in the heavenly places,” is lining up with the above verse in that Satan is the prince and power of the “air.”

Put these two verses right next to one another like two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, and I believe the Lord is giving all of us major revelation in that Satan does have some kind of structure in place with his demonic army, and part of this structure is with these higher-ranking demons who do have definite positions in the heavenlies, in the 2nd heaven.

4. Earthbound Demons

However, as we also know, Satan also has many of his demons who are working down here on this first heaven, which I believe is our earth. Many people call these earthbound demons.

These are the demons who will try and attach to people, whether it be to get in on the inside of their bodies, or follow them around like a dark cloud trying to cause as much trouble and mayhem as they possibly can with them.

What many deliverance ministers have found out is that many of these earthbound demons are taking direct orders from these higher ranking demons who are in these 2nd heaven positions.

And not only do these higher-ranking demons control some of the action down here with demons who are assigned to certain individuals, but these second heaven demons are also controlling the action over certain geographical areas on our earth.

And this now brings us right into the heart of this debate. Do we as Christians have the power and authority from the Lord to directly engage with these 2nd heaven demons, or should we only deal with the earthbound demons who are directly attacking people down here on this earth?

After studying both sides of this argument, it is our own personal opinion that we only deal directly with the earthbound demons who are working down here on this earth trying to attack as many individuals as they can.

When you study the Gospel accounts of Jesus and the apostles taking on demonic spirits, they were only taking on demons who were on the inside of people. There is not one verse in the Bible that I am aware of where Jesus or one of His apostles were taking on any demons who were operating in the 2nd heaven.

In the Great Commission Command given to us by Jesus right before He left us, He told us to “cast out demons.”

The way Jesus was wording this command, you can tell that He is referring to demons who are attached to people, not to demons who are operating in these 2nd heaven positions. He also does not give us any words or commands to “cast down” demons from the 2nd heaven positions. As such, I believe we should stay completely away from this kind of activity.

5. Research Done by John Paul Jackson

One very good book that deals specifically with this topic is the following book:

“Needless Casualties of War” by John Paul Jackson

For those of you who are doing any type of research in this area, we would highly recommend this book due to what Mr. Jackson has found out from his own personal experiences.

Long story short, Mr. Jackson had a wave of different churches and individuals contacting him. All of these churches were coming under major demonic attacks such as miscarriages, heart attacks, cancers, runaway children, untimely deaths and sudden illnesses.

When he started to investigate why these types of attacks were occurring in some of these churches way beyond what would be considered normal, he found out that they were trying to directly engage with these higher-ranking, 2nd heaven demons who were ruling over certain geographical areas. He also found out that they were not directly authorized by the Lord to be doing this type of special work for Him at the time they were doing it.

As a result of directly engaging with these principalities and powers without God’s direct permission and approval, they stepped outside the bounds of their spiritual authority with Him and opened themselves up to major demonic attacks from some of these higher-ranking, 2nd heaven demons. Then once they confessed and repented of this activity before the Lord, the demonic attacks immediately stopped and order was restored in their lives.

John Paul Jackson came to the conclusion that unless you get a good, clear, concise word from the Lord to engage in this kind of special forces activity, stay completely away from it. If you don’t, and you step outside your hedge of protection with the Lord, you could draw down major demonic attacks on both you and your life. And in some of these cases, some people literally lost their lives.

Again, unless you are being directly commissioned and authorized by the Lord to take on these kinds of special assignments, stay completely away from it, both for your own sake and for those who may be close to you, as one of the kinds of attacks he found occurring were demons causing some of the children in the families to leave home and run away.

Bottom line – leave these kinds of special battles to the Lord and His battle angels, as the air is also where some of God’s angels will tread. This 2nd heaven is where some of the battles will occur between God’s angels and some of Satan’s fallen angels. A very good verse from our Bible that gives us this specific revelation is found in the Book of Daniel. Here it is:

“Then, suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.

Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.” (Daniel 10:10-14)

Notice that God did not try to get Daniel to cast down or cast out the prince of Persia from his 2nd heaven position.

This prince of Persia was obviously one of Satan’s higher-ranking demons who was in control of this certain geographical area at the time of Daniel. Notice it was God Himself who took on the battle in this heavenly realm and dispatched the archangel Michael to help the angel who was sent by Him to give Daniel some additional revelation on the end times.

John Paul Jackson then further states in his book that if God does specifically commission you to do this type of work for Him, just pray to Him that He be the One to fight this kind of battle in the heavenlies. Do not try and use the same wording as you would with a demon who is on the inside of a person.

When someone has demons on the inside of them, we have the authority and power to literally cast them out in the name of Jesus. We can speak directly to the demons telling them to leave that person in the name of Jesus.

But if you do get a special type of assignment like this from the Lord, do not use the same wording. In other words, do not directly engage with these 2nd heaven demons telling them to leave their 2nd heaven position in the name of Jesus. Just pray direct to the Lord and ask that He directly handle these 2nd heaven demons for you.

If God decides that He then wants to answer your prayer, He can then take these demons out by the power of His Holy Spirit, or He could dispatch some of His warring battle angels to take them out like He did in the above story with Daniel and the demon prince of Persia.

6. Testimony

Two new good deliverance books that have recently come out on the subject of deliverance and demons are from a baptism minister by the name of Don Dickerman. This man and his deliverance ministry has our highest recommendation. The titles of his two new books are:

“When Pigs Move In” by Don Dickerman
“Keep the Pigs Out” by Don Dickerman

Don Dickerman has a big time prison ministry with the Lord and has thousands of hours of actual deliverance under his belt. In his second book titled, “Keep the Pigs Out,” he has a short chapter in this book devoted to just this one topic. Don also comes to the same conclusion that John Paul Jackson has and that we should stay completely away from this kind of spiritual warfare.

In this chapter, he gives a very good testimony of a good friend who almost got himself into serious trouble one day when he tried to bind and cast down a 2nd heaven demon who was controlling a certain geographical area and intersection where a lot of bad car accidents were occurring.

Here is the word-for-word testimony from his book on what happened to him that day when he tried to take down this 2nd heaven demon who obviously was causing some of these bad car accidents to occur at this specific intersection:

“Let me illustrate this with an example from Jay McCarley. As a young minister, Jay accepted a call to a church in Youngstown, Ohio. He and his family were trying to follow the call of God in their life.

With spiritual zeal, Jay was following what he had been taught and was out to stop the territorial demons in their tracks. He recalls that a particular intersection in the city of Youngstown had an unusual amount of bad car accidents.

He passed that intersection daily going to and from his church. He said that one day as he went though the intersection, he decided to command the demons to stop their activity of violence there. He tells of this incident with some awe in his voice.

He said, “I began to bind the demons that caused the wrecks and created the actions that brought so much damage and hurt to people. I was giving commands right and left.

Suddenly I felt a presence so strong that I had to pull my car over, and I was becoming sick to my stomach. I heard the Holy Spirit speak to my mind, ‘I’m going to protect you this time, but don’t ever do that again.’

He was trembling from the experience. He wasn’t sure what this was all about. As he prayed, he said it became clear that in ignorance he had stepped out of his spiritual realm of authority.

As he continued to learn from this experience, he found that at that very intersection there had been a history of violence. Union and nonunion workers had clashed on several occasions. There also had been murder committed in other situations. He learned that particular demons had gained rights because of what happened in the past.

Jay says, “I learned that I should never enter into warfare with demons powers in the heavens. I pray for God’s protection and intervention in situations, but I don’t go after territorial spirits … ever.”

Note – “Keep the Pigs Out” by Don Dickerman, page 105-106

7. An Opposing Point of View

Both John Paul Jackson and deliverance minister Don Dickerman, as well as many others, are warning us to stay completely away from this kind of spiritual warfare.

However, in fairness to the opposing point of view, there are others who believe that God will at times anoint and commission certain intercessory prayer teams to take on these kinds of special prayer assignments for Him. Their job will be to pray to God to take out these kinds of 2nd heaven demons in a certain geographical area so He can then move in to plant churches and/or cause revival to start to occur in the already existing churches in that area.

One of the best books I have ever read on this opposing point of view is the following book:

“Authority to Tread” by Rebecca Greenwood

In this book, Rebecca says the reason some people come under major demonic attack when trying to do this kind of work for the Lord is either because they were never authorized and commissioned by Him to do this kind of work in the first place, or they were not staying within His timing as to when they should be doing it.

Rebecca says these kinds of special prayer assignments have to be God-given. You cannot take on these kinds of assignments with your own initiative. She also goes through the basic steps you will need to take to be able to do this kind of higher-level, spiritual warfare properly.

She says you need to be part of a strong, anointed, intercessory prayer team. This is not the type of work for lone rangers. You also need to be under the covering of your church and pastor, along with not having any major sin in your life such as adultery and pornography, as these kinds of sins will create a major opening in your protective hedge with the Lord and thus give these kinds of demons a direct shot to be able to come directly after you.

Another very good book on this same point of view is the following:

“Warfare Prayer” by C. Peter Wagner

Mr. Wagner goes in depth on this topic, along with discussing some of the major mistakes they have made along the way as they were learning how to do this type of warfare properly. He also discusses some of the documented cases of where this kind of specialized warfare has really worked, especially in Argentina and some of the other countries down in South America.

To any of you who feel you are being called by God to do this kind of special work for Him, we would highly recommend both of these books, as they both give you very good, basic, common sense steps you will need to take with the Lord so you do not step outside the bounds of your spiritual authority with Him and get yourself into major trouble.

Conclusion

After studying both points of view on this topic, it is our own personal opinion that you stay completely away from this kind of spiritual warfare unless God Himself is calling you and training you to enter into this kind of an arena from time to time.

The best analogy I can give you on this is our U.S. military. In our military, we have special types of forces like the Green Berets and the Navy Seals. These types of soldiers are specially trained to do special kinds of natural warfare. In the same way, this kind of spiritual warfare is like special forces type warfare and not everyone will be called by God to do it.

So unless God is specifically calling you to do this kind of higher level spiritual warfare for Him, it would be our recommendation to stay completely away from it. There are enough earthbound demons for us to engage with and cast out.

And until Jesus comes back to our earth to throw Satan and his demons into the bottomless pit for a thousand years, we are all going to be stuck with Satan and some of his demons being allowed to roam our air and set up stronghold bases in certain geographical areas throughout the world.

Again, three very good books on this subject giving you both sides of this argument are the following:

“Needless Casualties of War” by John Paul Jackson
“Authority to Tread” by Rebecca Greenwood
“Prayer Warfare” by C. Peter Wagner

If you are interested in this area of spiritual warfare, or you feel like God may be calling you to do something like this for Him from time to time, it would be our very strong recommendation that you read both of these books so you can see exactly what you will be dealing with and entering into.

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  1. Aaron - January 25, 2016 at 2:31 am

    Praise be to Jesus! Praise be to God! The Lord is eternally sovereign! The Lord is good through everything good and bad! I will praise Him all the days of my life! Hallelujah for He is risen! Shout to The Lord songs of praise and worship! God bless and have a nice day. 🙂

    Ephesians 6:10-18

    The Armor of God
    10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in THE HEAVENLY REALMS. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

    18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

  2. Bruce Baker - December 11, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Your example of Jay McCarley is inconclusive. The spiritual situation is not stated. Was Jay baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues? How close was he to God? Did he have an intimate relationship with God? Some years ago, I got the following word from God. There are five levels:

    Lowest: 1. Praise
    2. Worship
    3. Intimacy
    4. Divine revelation
    5. Power

    Where was Jay? Most so called Christians have no power because they don’t have a relationship with God. To state examples without establishing the spiritual situation is not correct.

    One more thing: The word demon is not in the KJ Bible. You have all this discussion about demons. Where is the scripture that establishes your discussion?

    • Anastazia - May 7, 2016 at 9:52 am

      Amen. Bible filled with references to demons, if you read it, than you’d see. Job for example, Daniel.. God bless..in Jesus Christ name if you’r not a Satan agent here to mislead people? Climbing that he don’t exist. If there be no demon , than wed be with god as one face to face, hand to had. Whole reason of bible teaching is to overcome demons!!!!

    • Grant - February 5, 2018 at 12:56 pm

      Check the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
      Deuteronomy 32:51
      1 Samuel 28:3 & 9
      Matthew 4:24
      Matthew 7:22
      and ther are more in a Jewish Bible.

  3. Rhonda Driscol - June 9, 2015 at 8:44 am

    I was so touched of your articles, for they were answers of what has been happening to me now. I know I have a strong calling in the prophetical call. It is a warrior and intercessorr. It gets real intense but it is as though I can see in the spirit realm of what I am praying against. Like, I will get this strong nudge to pray for someone or sitiutation and I do and I can see what is going on, Someone going to have a car wreck but as I intercede it stops the wreck from happening. I have encounted demons, big and evil to come into my room as i sleeping and take the covers and put over my head but I wake up and out of my mouth will come, The lords of Hosts rebuke you satan and all your cohorts of hell to begone. My bed lifted up and put in the middle of the room with me in it. I know my dreams and visions and word of knowelege is sometimes overwelming and the things God shows me for the latter times, events and I keep all this inside me. I now know that it is the call on peoples lives satan is afraid of. He is so threaten by God’s chosen. He knows his time is about to end and his kingdom is coming down. The only way to stay safe is live in the anointing for the day is not over.
    There is much to do and much that hasn’t been done but behold, the kingdom of God has come. Jesus said:THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST MY CHURCH. Each one of us builds the church so, claim the words of God and stand tall and be brave and couragesous. Jousha 1;3 A servant of the Lord. r.d.

    • Vincent - March 30, 2017 at 8:58 am

      Hi Rhonda Driscol, please keep me in prayer. My name is Vincent and i’m struggling and feel like something is stopping my breakthrough but I don’t know what it is.

      Thank you so much.

  4. Godfrey - May 22, 2015 at 3:05 am

    I’m sorry to disagree, God gave us authority, over everything, which includes the creatures in the waters, which is water spirits, the Creatures on the land and every creature in Heaven.
    Genesis 1:26 “Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”
    Through my experience in the deliverance field, I’ve experienced that most demons operates from a kingdom, which is either the kingdom of darkness, in heaven, earth or sea.
    when a spirit manifest with in the person, they start acting of some sort of animal, which is link with the above kingdoms.
    Jesus preaching was mostly on the Kingdom of God, cause in spiritual battles the fight is between the kingdom of darkness and the Kingdom of God, as it is in heaven, so shall it be on earth.
    E.g. in the Kingdom of God there is no sickness, disease etc. but in the kingdom of darkness, they bring forth sickness, disease etc. so when you pray for healing, salvation or deliverance, you go against the barriers of destruction and this affect the Kingdom of darkness through the Kingdom of God.
    Like we receive our powers through Jesus Christ so does the agents of satan as well, so when you are victorious over any disease or any sort of demonic problem, that means that you have brought upon destruction on the kingdom of darkness, it doesn’t matter if they operate in the heavens, earth, sea or hades.

  5. Ed - April 12, 2015 at 12:06 am

    I also do not totally agree with the article. I do not believe that Christians should be engaging any demons directly, whether earth bound or demons in the air controlling geographical areas. Yes there are demons or fallen angels controlling geographical areas (and this is a reasonable assumption from the book of Daniel that mentions Gabriel engaging the Prince of Persia). In addition to them, there are also demons roaming about the earth where people have been possessed by them (unbelievers of course). In the latter part of the New Testament, it seems casting demons out was not a doctrine that was taught compare to the beginning of the Church on Pentecost when the Apostles were given authority to cast these demons out as verification or authentication of their apostleship and the message of the Gospel. In the latter part of the New Testament, even Michael an archangel dared not to bring accusation against the evil one but said to him the Lord is the one who rebukes him. Likewise, us Christians should always be asking the Lord to do the same whether they are earth bound demons or demons in the air. Also, I believe the first heaven is the sky where the birds fly. The second heaven is the outer space. Then, the third heaven is where Jesus is in His glorified form. Jesus is our great God and Savior, the second Person of the Trinity. Amen. Just wanted to add that because the truth will prevail.

    • jereramuromo - April 24, 2018 at 4:39 am

      Read John 17. You will learn that Christ’s disciples then = to us now as dedicated to God through prayer by Jesus Christ. As such we have been given the mandate and all power to heal the seal, cast out devils and raise the dead,,,,after all if you cast out a devil in Jesus’ name you can not be proud of yourself you should give glory to Jesus who has done it through you,,,the new testament is full of commandments from Jesus for us to preach the gospel, heal the sick and cast out devils in His name….These signs shall follow them that believe…so its an assignment to them that believe,,,for those who do not believe they need not worry about the commands…

  6. Evans Krop - March 6, 2015 at 12:33 am

    I guess it’s right to disagree with an opinion, Ok..The word of God just like you quoted Says’ …That through death He might destroy him who had the Power of Death, the Devil and release those by the Fear of Death were all their Lifetime Subject to Bondage, Heb 2:14. Jesus abides in me and I in Him. How therefore Can Believers not confront the 2nd Heaven??…(as of the 1st Heaven, earth Believers are trending victoriously crushing the heads of scorpions). You are making us Fear the Devil even more…and yet we’ve not been given the spirit of Fear but of sound mind. Contradicts the Faith.

    • jereramuromo - April 24, 2018 at 4:32 am

      I believe we all know that as Christians some are babes in Christ, some young, some elders just like what Paul says,,,so the Author is simply giving a heads-up…after all we have been allowed all things but not everything is profitable,,,,its why for Elijah it came a time for him that he ran away from a wicked woman, knowing a time to fight and a time to retreat, but knowing in the end victory is ours…

    • Angellette ferguson - May 5, 2018 at 1:15 pm

      It’s not fear of the devil but reverence for the Lord. You cannot overstep the boundaries he has put you under. If I hire you to house sit you have authority over the house while I am gone, but it’s still my house and decisions you make must be approved by me. We are not to fun from the devil but we don’t have to hide. I guess it’s like the stand your ground law is supposed to work.

  7. FirstHeaven ThirdHeaven - May 2, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Hi Loretta..i see visions

    Just 3-4 months ago I was in the place between awake and asleep and I
    saw someone standing in my living room looking right at me. It was about 5 feet tall and I noticed it had almost like clothing that was made out something that looked like it was made out of a strange design or color. I didn’t see the face but I definitely saw a being with the shape of a man. I actually saw color. As I jerked myself out of that state I became very angry at it just for being in my house and quoted all verses in the Bible that I knew. I sensed it left. I then knew the mission of that devil or fallen angel? It the spirit of divorce or torment or both. I was crying for several days then that night it stopped when I used the authority Jesus has given me/us.

    I even several years ago heard in my spirit and actually saw a pin hole of the floor of the 3rd Heaven. The sounds were past wonderful I can’t explain it.

    I am writing here because I have no one really to talk to about these encounters. Most of my family laugh at me. They are spiritually ignorant. I love them so!

    I will check back in a few days and I hope to see that you make comments here or someone else who has experienced the spirit realm. Oh I have seen WAR ANGLES AND THEY ARE VERY TALL ABOUT 9 FEET!!!!!

    • Dephney - October 17, 2017 at 6:37 am

      One night when I sleeping I dreamt of 2 men who took me to a place that was filled with the dazzling light, the light was very bright, the ground and the roofing were covered with light and I couldn’t see our shadows.(Revelation 21:23 says”The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.”)

      The walls were transparent because I looked for the sky and the ground like we have on earth, but there was none. All I could see was the light that was sunniest, whitest and purest.

      I believe you when you said you saw a pin hole of the floor of the third Heaven. I’m having an encounter with Jesus Christ and He told me to go and tell everyone in the world to repent and be reconciled back with Him.

  8. Heidi - April 28, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    “Good article but 1 major flaw. The angels who fell with Lucifer and inhabit the 2nd heaven are not demons, they are devils/fallen angels. Demons are different. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim briefly described in Gen 6 and elaborated on in the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Jasher. When the Nephilim were destroyed in the flood their spirits were cursed to roam the earth (which are the cause of hauntings and possessions).” -Chase

    Chase is 100% correct. I also was thinking of this flaw when I read the article. The demons on the “3rd heaven” aka earth are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim. The Satanic entities in the second heaven, the powerful ones, are fallen angels, NOT demons.

  9. chase - February 6, 2014 at 6:04 am

    Good article but 1 major flaw. The angels who fell with Lucifer and inhabit the 2nd heaven are not demons, they are devils/fallen angels. Demons are different. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim briefly described in Gen 6 and elaborated on in the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Jasher. When the Nephilim were destroyed in the flood their spirits were cursed to roam the earth (which are the cause of hauntings and possessions).

  10. Karamea - October 25, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Who is the Queen of Babylon

  11. elizabeth - October 21, 2013 at 5:00 am

    this is a very nice article, i do not totally agree that the first and second heaven is the earth and sky but i agree that battling with demons should be by the leading of the holyghost: the bible say this sign shall follow them that believe in my name you will cast of demons and so on: that is as a believer at the name of jesus you should do that, but we can still see in the case of daniel a higher rank angel needed to come down and fight for him: it depends on your level with God. Paul said when i was a child i eat like a child. You dont give meat to children u give milk. When God sent dwn the fallen angels he didnt collect their powers from them:

  12. moonsamy chinnien - September 21, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    DATE 21-09-2013 Jesus said all power has been given to me from the Kingdom of God to the earth .If believers of great faith believe they have receive Jesus like a lion of juda so they can give great trouble to all type of worst demon on the 2nd heaven ( ephesians ch 6 ver 10 to 20)

  13. Karamea - July 24, 2013 at 6:26 am

    Put things into perspective, interesting reading of what’s happening to the lost. Full of wisdom or lack of knowledge, your Choice!!

  14. Adesegha Adelayo John - July 2, 2013 at 3:14 am

    Jesus said in matthew28:18 that all power in heaven and the earth has been given unto him and this power has been delegated to the church. Every believer is what make up the church. Apostle paul said we are not wrestle against flesh and blood, he said in the name of Jesus every kneel shall bow both in heaven, Earth and beneath, please I still need more scriptural reference on this. Because when am praying, I prayed in the name of Jesus and no demon and devil both on earth and in heavenlies can withstand it.

    • jereramuromo - April 24, 2018 at 4:13 am

      I think this article is based on opinions from perspectives from scripture experience and study, you can make your own conclusion based on your faith and understanding,,,,

  15. Lister - April 22, 2013 at 11:50 am

    I do agree with you guys about engaging with demons in the 2nd Heavens but I have a mind bothering question. The book “Mysterious Secretes of the Dark kingdom” talks about the Powers,Principalities and rulers of darkness. The book said the Principalities are Four in number Namely Appollyon , Abbadon ,Belial , the Beast. The book said these principalities are so powerful that in their unity they can plan a dangerous coup detat against the authority of Satan so satan does not interfere in Their matters at all. Amongst the principalities the most wicked is the Beast who is said to appear in the end times .Now concerning the powers the book said they are 8 in number. They are Baal, Ashtoreth, Paimon,Ariton,Gog,Magog,Beelzebub and Mammon. These all have their special duties and they do it effectively . What do you got to say about it

  16. maria - December 29, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Well, I believe that He who knew no sin became my sin in order that I might become the righteousness of GOD in Him… He Himself said, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven”… and again, He said, “the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me” (John 14:30)I do believe that satan has nothing in or on the child of GOD. Jesus is Lord of all. He is Satan’s master, and in His name… so are we!… Whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities… He (Jesus) has been made “Lord of them all” because all authority has been given to Him. That same authority He (Jesus) has given to us. But, I agree that we should never take upon ourselves to do what GOD has not authorized for us to do. He commands us to acknowledge Him in “ALL” of our ways, if we do this with dilligent obedience, He (GOD) will direct our every step… to engage the higher enemy forces without being specifically ordered to do so is as dangerous as shooting at an enemy soldier in Cuba from Guantanimo Bay… Doing such a thing without specific orders can start an unauthorized battle. There are tremendous consequences to doing this and foolish actions are never without casualaties. We are the Children of the Living God… It is time to stop being afraid of the enemy; that defeated foe, that crafty serpent the devil, or his unholy angels. They are all operating from a place of defeat… If we truly know this we can engage him and his army of loser devils with utter fearlessness when we do receive the command to engage the principalities, powers ansd rulers of darkness, the spiritual forces of wickedness in high places. It is vital that we understand who we are and more importnantly… Whose we are! Let us always be prepared in season and out of season to heed the call when our Great GOD and Father calls upon us to engage in battle. Let our ears be acutely atuned to the voice of our Master, our Great Conquering King, who whooped satan’s butt in his own territory and, in front of his entire regeigm. It is in Him that we have become more than conquerors, soldiers in in His army with His name as our badge of victory! Let us not be concerned with the petty affairs of this life that we might please Him who enlisted us as His soldiers… and if we fear anything or any one.. let us fear the Lord. he is worthy of all reverence and praise!

  17. vanessa horne - October 19, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    thank god for today i know that spirits and demons are real when i turned my life from statan to god a attack was on my life and i didnt understand i could hear them talking then i tryed to correct there conduct and open up a world that i regret i know that that is god job and i’m not authorize in some things yes we can have power over all princilipalities and demon but that it god is in charge of everthing else if anyone has encountered this experience it nothing to play with you can loose your life but by god grace and mercy i’m still here

  18. Tony - April 21, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Good stuff Maizie.

    Demons will take advantage of any gap in the knowledge of our rights so it is important to know the scripture and what our rights are. That what we bind on earth is bound in heaven shows that heaven backs us up. Man was originally given authority on the earth but Adam and Eve lost it to Satan. Jesus won it back for us but it was still against spiritual things on earth, howbeit they are backed up by wickedness in heavenly places. Colossians talks negatively about intruding into those things we have not seen, such as the worship of angels and exhorts us to hold fast to the head Jesus Christ.

    • Debbie - November 6, 2016 at 5:51 pm

      Heaven is HIS throne and the earth is HIS footstool I reign with Christ Jesus in His place of victory. Amen

  19. maizie - April 20, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    So many believers go along unaware of the basic information when it is needed for daily living. Knowledge helps us understand what we are seeing around us. God expects us to pray for others and intercede for others so the knowledge of, say, legal rights is important.

    A neighbor of mine has needed help in a few areas and because I have been able to help I have had “prayer rights” so to speak. If children come over to play with my grandson then I have “prayer rights” over the children because they are in my home. (The demons will argue thatt we do not have any say so even when we do-they lie too) These seem like small areas but nothing is small in God’s eyes.

    This is a very helpful website.

  20. Joseph - April 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    You see,this is an eye opener. I don‘t feel i have a deliverance ministry and scarcely speak of demons despite that God delivered me from satan‘s grip. But recently,i saw my spiritual interest going there and i needed all the knowledge and power. Though overemphasis on satan‘s power has birthed life time fear in some christians,yet we need to know how the battle goes

  21. Jiorje - March 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Hello again. This is very good writing here. As someone who God uses in this area of whats called stratigic level warfare for over a decade now i would have to agree with the these authors. You never go into battle with the enemy in the second heavan unless God first equips you to what I call special opps. I wont go into detail of how it all plays out for several reasons. Ill just leave it at that.

  22. Tony - March 5, 2012 at 3:29 am

    That is very wise Maizie. We can cast out demons in people if they are open and even houses where we have to live but there are demonic angels in the heavenlies that we don’t bind directly although good angels can resist them as is shown in Daniel. Earth is our realm and we have power through Christ on it, but I don’t see any precedent in going against the fallen angels in the heavenlies.

    Your vision was very clear. The whore of Babylon is still around at the end although it does say she will be destroyed by the beast or the antichrist. He uses her false religion for his purposes and then gets rid of her so that he can be god.

  23. maizie - March 4, 2012 at 11:58 am

    A few years ago the Lord showed me something. It was in a vision dream type of thing and we were on the street and there were buildings but no traffic or movement by people. As we were there a woman moved by, like a float movement and her presence was huge. It was like a skyscaper huge and she wore a garment like the English royalty 1800’s. The garment was purple, red and scarlett colors. She was a power or dominion, like the Queen of Babylon.
    I remarked to the Lord that she didn’t even see me. I was a speck. Now I know the power of prayer in Jesus name so this was interesting because she had the legal right to be there and I wasn’t going to change that, God yes, me no. It is what the above is talking about. Under this harlot’s skirts were false prophets and false teachers like roaches(scurrying)falling out as specks of dust from under her skirts. So you see, if they be banished she has more to replace them.

    I do believe and know that we are called to set the captives free in Jesus name and God gives us whatever understanding we need to do this with our prayers and intercession.

  24. Tony - January 30, 2012 at 4:57 am

    Very good writing and good guidance. I always felt off when the church wanted to go outside and bind things over the city. It had a nebulous feel about it. Thank God that it didn’t continue.

    The only thing I would disagree with is in saying that earth is the first heaven. Heaven and earth is such a common phrase in the bible. Earth always seems to be named earth and not heaven. Heaven can come to earth in God’s people but it is still earth and not the first heaven in my view, the place given to man. Just a technical point.

  25. Eve - November 22, 2011 at 2:18 am

    Is it possible that a born again church can be cursed because of too much unbelief and rebellion like not believing in healing, in giving tithes and so on. As a result could it be possible that they are putting a hole on their protective hedge? I have noticed that it seems they put a cursed on that church. A lot of their members died of a horrible death like painful brain tumor, lung cancer, amputation of both legs and other terrible illnesses? This church believe that once you get sick, surrender yourself to God. If it is His will to heal you, you will be healed, but if not, just accept your fate. You don’t need to pray for your healing or to beg God to heal you. So they don’t even pray for their church members for any healing or deliverance. They don’t even call them on the phone while they are sick or praying them on their deathbed. They blame my father for suffering too long because he is battling and asking and resisting God to extend his life to cure him. The pastor said by doing that my father is going against the will of God. My father loose hope until he just surrender and did not fight. They were happy and rejoicing during the funeral. They are saying that praise the Lord my father is in heaven already,but they never visited him or pray for him when he was sick. What do you think? I find that weired.

    • Donald Hanke - December 26, 2016 at 10:36 pm

      That is wierd and un-Biblical. Our Saviour said those that are sick should have believers lay hands on them and pray for healing and to rebuke the demons.

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